Come buy milk and honey without money and without price: The 4 Gathering Angels and John the Elias

The name Finarfin actually appears once in my words, in an interesting passage which is hard to really understand all that is going on, but which I do have some idea about.  These ideas might fit with some of the recent ideas I have been exploring here.  I don't know.

I am going to include actually a few days of words here, because I think they are related (though I am not 100% certain).

From April 28 -30, this is what I have written down:

April 28

Edel umbrate minister/ ministry (to come?)

Bayer [followed by a scene of a baptism] vie sen

April 29

23 of 27

April 30

Sandy stone

tel ed bar to fly

Finrod Finwe son

Finarfin son of Finwe

Fingolfin son of Finwe

Galadriel daughter of Finwe

we have a lot of ground to cover tonight

crumb dunca

come by (buy) milk and honey without money and without price

Finwe land of promise

Carpenter Raymond

com por dir

The April 30 words are what I want to focus on primarily here, and they are where we see Finarfin's name, along with 3 other members of the House of Finwe.

Before we get there, though, on April 28 there seems to be some sort of mention of an Elvish minister or ministry.  Edel is another name for the Eldar, and I think it is used both as an singular noun (one Elf) as well as plural (star-folk).  I am not positive in what sense it is meant here, honestly. but I believe it is likely in the singular sense.

Umbrate means to foreshadow.  

In going through this for this post, in determining that this is what it meant, my mind went to John, who is said to be the forerunner of Jesus.  Though foreshadowing is different than forerunning, I guess, the similarities had me thinking this way.  Could this be the Elf (Thingol) that is mentioned here?  The next line where we have the word Bayer, followed by a scene of a baptism seems to suggest that this could definitely be the case.  Recall that in my story Thingol is John the Baptist (and Aragorn), and having him identified as the "ministering Edel" would go a long way to explain why I suddenly saw a vision of a baptism in these words.  Thingol had also been on my mind from the day previous.  On April 27, as covered in earlier posts, I had a dream of what I believe was Asenath returning home as spoken by the Daughters ("Mommy's home!").

In that dream, I mentioned there was a drug called "Milk and Honey".  When that phrase was spoken, it was part of a scene where an older man stood behind a counter in what appeared to have been a pharmacy from the 1800's.  It was actually him that spoke those words about the Milk and Honey drug, and when I heard him say it in the dream, I strangely found myself saying to him, "Oh, you're Thingol!", but the man gave me no response.

Anyway, I believe that these April 28 words are referencing Thingol-John.   

In writing this post, I remembered that something like "Umbrate" appeared in Doug's stories.  I found it as "Adumbrate" in Words of Them that have Slumbered, and looking up definitions for both of these words, find that they mean the same thing.  In my search, I found Adumbrate used in the specific context of Thingol, remarkably, which gives me some additional confidence that the Elf's Ministry that is being 'umbrated' is John.  Here is the quote:

Adumbrated -- foreshadowed in the life and course of Eru is the career of Thingol - beset by woes and made miserable, a man of sorrows, not himself sorrowful, born, or no womb, and in dying, regaining all that was promised, yet by no hand given, save his own, in giving, received a fullness of joy, hating even then the darkness, though upon his heart it came never nor did that unlight comprehend him, so filled with love was it [heart], and so, a mystery yet unfolding in thy days, a-glowing, though no man knows whence comes this peace, freely given, and adumbrating happier days to come, to light the years even after the darkening of days, soon upon us.

So, could be something to this.  Let's move on in the phrase.

Bayer is an interesting word, here, though.  It can be a German word (which I find likely, based on the presence of The Germans), and means something like someone from Bavaria.  It can also mean something specifically like a "church bell ringer", which I also find a reasonable meaning here.  Lastly, in the spirit of 'drugs' like this Milk and Honey, Bayer is a global healthcare company that produces drugs and medicine.  Could also be relevant.

"vie sen" could literally mean some thing like "penis to set free", but maybe we don't go there.  Vie can also be just a term for Vigor or Manhood, rather than specifically a penis, so we could read this as "Bayer to set free Vigor", or something.

In any case, I believe the Elf we are referring to here in these April 28 words is John, and this is important to understanding the April 30 words.

I am going to skip April 29 because we have some numbers being counted here, and this is part of, I now believe, an ongoing gathering that is actually happening during the April-May period (leading up to this evacuation that Eru mentions in those words a few days later on May 2) and I will get to those separately.

So, then on to April 30, if you are still with me on this.  Trust me, I wish this wasn't as weird and challenging to parse through as well, but here we are.  I might be getting this all completely wrong, but at least I am giving it a shot.

I believe we can take most of April 30 as a quote from John-Thingol speaking to the 4 Beings named in the passage.  This is either one of two things (or strangely, perhaps both):  a past event, or a future event.  By past, I mean this represents potentially these 4 Beings leaving for Earth to be born as Men this last time in preparation for the Gathering of Israel.  It could also be a future event where these Beings, after having been gathered Home are asked to return to Earth to assist John in the final gathering of all who will leave this Earth and go to "Finwe's Land of Promise".  I could actually see both being true.  As mentioned, I currently have both Finarfin (if he is Faramir-Eonwe) and Galadriel as Men on this Earth currently.  If I could verify that both Finrod and Fingolfin are also here presently, this would be a reasonable guess.

The story that is most prominent in my mind, however, is the future event, and I believe it is one also partly described or mentioned in the book of Revelations and in Joseph Smith's explanations as found in D&C 77.

First, we have mention of a "sandy stone".  I am guessing this is El-Anor / Anor Stone, due to the color I imagine a sandy stone to have.  That Stone, per my narrative so far, returned to Aman with Joseph, and probably is still there, I am guessing.  The next phrase "tal ed bar to fly", I would translate as something like "to the bottom/ down forth earth to fly".

If the Stone is now up there, this phrase suggests that it will return back down to our Earth.  It will do so, apparently, in the company of John (the one who is speaking) and the 4 individuals mentioned.   If this is about gathering Israel, the Stone itself will be important.  Remember The Germans remarked that they could see Aus (Joseph) and his children in the Stone, apparently.  Such a tool would obviously be useful for tracking down and ensuring everyone is accounted for.

He mentions that they have "a lot of ground to cover tonight", probably both alluding to the long journey from where they will be to come to our Earth, but also a play on words for the Revelation mention, as well as an Isaiah reference by Nephi, which I will get to in just a second.

Crumb dunca can be something like "Crumb west on top", which at first seems like it doesn't make any sense, but remember Asenath is the Crumb girl, and there are Stones (crumbs) prepared for all of her Family by which they will all be 'plucked' back home, or to the top.  So, it can make more sense than at first glance.

The invitation that they will extend to all on this earth is then stated by John:  "Come buy milk and honey without money and without price".

We can find this phrase in 2 Nephi 26, where Nephi himself is quoting Isaiah.  The additional words in the text also support the view that the reference to "a lot of ground to cover" is a funny way of saying that these 4 Being will cover all the ends of the Earth, because all of the ends of the Earth will need to hear that invitation.  That is definitely a lot of ground to cover!

Behold, doth he cry unto any, saying: Depart from me? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; but he saith: Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey, without money and without price.

and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

We then find the name Raymond again, but now associated with Carpenter.  The word, in addition to describing a woodworker, actually comes from a Wagon or Carriage, as in Wagon Making.   Raymond Wagon Maker?  This definition when I see it also points me back to those words that had the phrase "Wain-wright" from an earlier post, which would mean Wagon Maker, as well, interestingly enough, as I just realize right now.   There might be something there, and perhaps it has something to do with the Stones, or at least some method of transporting Beings back home?  What is the Wagon?  Is it what carries Beings home?  I don't know.

And we close with "Com por dir", which is a phrase I don't like, because por is so maddening to try and get a meaning for.  The phrase showed up earlier in December 2019, though in sounding it out I spelled it Com-pord-er.

Com can either be "to gather, collect" or "a ball".  Given that I have Stones (balls) assisting in the work of gathering Beings, it is potentially likely that this is a double meaning and both are meant.

Dir means 'Man".

Those are simple enough.

Por means "Flour, meal", though, and I don't have a good answer for how that fits right now.  It could also potentially mean "hen" if we get really creative, but it might require too much modification to work (Hen comes from Porok, so seems a bit of a stretch).  I am not going to solve it here, I don't think.

In any case, zooming back out and getting out of the weeds, what we have here, I believe, in this overall dialogue is an invitation from John-Thingol to 4 Beings to go and gather out  all who will come to the Promised Land.  This is where I get to the Revelation reference and Joseph Smith's commentary.  First, Revelation 7:

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Tying this to our story, the 4 Angel are those 4 Elves I mentioned, which includes Finarfin.  The other angel ascending from the East would be John, and he is giving instructions to the Angels to seal up the 'servants of God', which are associated with the number 144, and to bring them Home.

Here is how Joseph Smith answered a few questions around these scenes in D&C 77.  Regarding the 4 angels:

Q. What are we to understand by the four angels, spoken of in the 7th chapter and 1st verse of Revelation?

A. We are to understand that they are four angels sent forth from God, to whom is given power over the four parts of the earth, to save life and to destroy; these are they who have the everlasting gospel to commit to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people; having power to shut up the heavens, to seal up unto life, or to cast down to the regions of darkness.

The angels will have the Everlasting Gospel to share, and they have significant power given to them, which is the type of power that we have, if you recall, associated with the Holy Ghost, or Jah ni hah or Ja-ho-e-oop:  that of Judgement, and the ability to do things on behalf of the King.  If the guess of Faramir-Eonwe being Finarfin is correct, this makes his involvement as one of these 4 make more sense.  It also helps make sense of the fact that 2 of the other 3 angels are his children (Galadriel and Finrod) and the other is his brother (Fingolfin).

Joseph goes on to positively identify (I think) the Angel who ascends from the East and gives instructions to the 4 angels as Elias, and then he identifies Elias, at least the one that has overall responsibility for the gathering of Israel, as John in two other answers.  Here they are:

9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? 

A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

And later, he says this Elias is John, with John swallowing the book as being symbolic of his mission:

Q. What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation?

A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things.

If all this is about as clear as mud in your own mind, don't worry, I am right there with you.  I kind of wanted to just get this down and see where it goes from here.  I had mentioned Finarfin, and Finarfin has appeared in my words, so thought I'd give it a go as to why.

I mean to simply as best I can in my own mind, and to summarize somewhat, it seems that Finarfin along with members of his family may, under the direction of John, come back to our Earth (after being initially gathered home... perhaps an Adam-ondi-Ahman type of initial gathering?) and bring as many as will come home to Xanadu, while ensuring that all who have been numbered and counted are safely accounted for.

This reading makes some sense in light of some things Asenath saw in a vision relative to Finwe's family, and which I was also going to cover in relation to the possibility of Faramir-Eonwe identifying with Finarfin.  That will be a separate post, though, but I think naturally follows onto some of my guesswork in this post.