Crazed Fathers

In my last post exploring the strange and not-completely-thought-out idea of Peter being the same Being who was Pharazon, I mentioned that some passages from Doug's writing at least hold open the door that this is possible.  Pharazon is never mentioned in the passage, but as you will see, his assault and the Beings involved are and they tie very specifically back to Elvish "Fathers".

I am not sure if the excerpts I include here are in Doug's third book.  I haven't read it nor intend to at this time.  They may be.  In any case, there are some draft stories that he sent out, written very much in the same style as Words of the Faithful and Words of Them that have Slumbered.

In those drafts, there seems to be an Elvish speaker on Eressea (what I believe would be Eressea #1 in our story here) discussing the events surrounding the invasion of their land by the Numenoreans, with the interesting detail that among these Numenoreans were their own Fathers (Elves reborn as Men).  

Before we get there, though, the speaker seems to indicate that in the assault on Eressea, some of the invaders drank that light-pollen, and some did not.  Those that did not seem to have died and gone to 'hell' or some residing place of spirits.  They were full of regret for what they did.

These spirits, however, seem to have been sent 'outward' by Mandos at some point.  Here is the first relevant passage:

And hearing their cries, Mandos has sent such outward, in blessing, and not to mock; and now we upon Eressea’s Harbors, all decided, in relief of our own grudge’s to nursing, to abide their walking out, and setting-out lines, to drag some plow, and lay a line of seed, sacred-holy, from their soiled palms, a-dropping;

What does it mean to be sent 'outward'?  My guess is that that have been released from this place of regret and have been born again on our world as Men.  Could be. The Elvish speaker also indicates that the Eldar now on Eressea were OK with this, and had begun the process of forgiving these Beings for what they had earlier done.

It is also alluded that these Beings will help make restitution for what they had done.  Whereas the Lilies and their light were plundered and burned, those that participated, in whatever capacity, in this act will have opportunity to help replant new seeds and restore what was destroyed.  There is even an invitation for them to come and and watch the descent of these other Beings on Eressea (our Eressea #1).  This fits with our storyline in that Beings will go to Eressea #2 from this Earth, and after assisting the remnant on that land, will see the New Jerusalem (on Eressea #1) descend and join with that world.  So that is consistent at least.

The next bit is critical to understand how it might be possible for Pharazon to actually have been someone like Gim Githil in an age before.  The speaker will suggest that among the Numenorean invaders were their own "Fathers", meaning, I think, the very first Elves who were at The Awakening, or the Cuivienen - a group of the 144 I have touched on in previous posts.

Here is the excerpt:

our hearts as one, lastly, turned to those fathers, who upon Numenor came, in droves, and driven under Thu-Sauron’s Mists, steered where once they lofted high songs, to Valar’s cocking ears, tune-hungry; Those fathers! Our own, in time, to Numenor came, and thence to our ancestral palaces – theirs giving in lot, to we their children, faithful most! – lumbered fleshy, appetite-full slaked, in blood lust, murder, whore-molling, and worse; Our Fathers! Crazed were they, and we knowing them as Was-once-before, could not our “plows” set on their roads’ flesh, to harrow until tormented into Worst-Hell; No! We our Fathers, Fled….So may we again look to see in full-figure; not mere outline, of memory, or hoped-for time,

OK, so again, not very clear language, but the general idea, as far as I can tell, is that some of these "Fathers" or the original 144 were born as Men among the Numenoreans, and then came to Eressea among these invaders.  So, the children and descendents of these first Eldar recognized, in some fashion, that it was their very own ancestors (now reborn as Men) who were attacking them.

Further, the speaker suggests that these Fathers were 'crazed'.  They were not in full possession of themselves for some reason.  Rather than fight their own Fathers, they fled (and may died), and again this is where half of Eressea was split off and taken 'under' (Eressea #2) and the other half raised with Valinor (Eressea #1).  The speaker presumably is from Eressea #1.

Given this situation, it is not out of the realm of possibility to think of Gim Githil being among these Fathers.  He doesn't have to be there, but some of these Fathers, at least, are there and that puts him as a potential candidate at the least.

We know that Pharazon was there in the assault, leading the Numenoreans (including the Fathers and other Eldar born among them as Men).

It is therefore not impossible to have Pharazon actually be Gim Githil.  Whereas in the dawning of the age of the Elves, he led those first people to Aman, he might be now leading some of these same people, but now in a tragic and possessed state, attacking their own children and former homeland.  A House literally divided against itself due to Sauron's evil manipulations and potentially other factors that we don't have a clear idea about, at least I don't.

The mystery would still exist, then, as to how and why it came to that, and Gim Githil would have found himself in such a position.  That riddle would remain unsolved, but it does, if true, squarely suggest that Peter very well could have been (maybe even likely was?) among these invaders, and thus potentially Pharazon himself.

I don't know - sounds crazy to me, but at the same time it seems worth vetting it out.  It is currently the right kind of crazy. 

I was going to add one or two more excerpts, one which actually includes a reference to Peter ("Petering as Paulos..."), but I really don't want to go into any more of those writings right now.  I don't enjoy it.

The bottom line, though, is that in those story elements we find some backing for the idea that i) Gim Githil, as the High King of the Elves, may have been present in the Numenorean assault, ii) he may have actually participated in the atrocities on Eressea, iii) he may have done so under the identity or character of Pharazon, and thus iv) it is not impossible to think of Pharazon as Peter-Marsh.

The 'pride' and fear of Pharazon may also be understood better in this light, as an Elven Being clad in a Man's body and limited capabilities, and all that comes along with that.  It may have contributed greatly to both his rise, as well as his fall.

Further, we may also have more insight into the tradition of Peter 'denying' Jesus 3 times before the cock crows.  There may be some truth to that story, but just as with other things we have explored here (like the prophecy of the Sun being darkened) this might be about or mean something completely different than we currently understand, and is a bastardized tale of something Peter might have told those on Earth when he came to visit them.  It may be that "Peter" in various roles would fail or deny Jesus and align with Evil, in some capacity and for some reasons that is obscured from us currently.  His experience as Pharazon would be one such time.  We have also looked at the life of Thomas B. Marsh, who ultimately abandoned Joseph Smith and at the end aligned himself with Brigham Young (though as mentioned, retaining some important things for himself).  That would be another time, potentially.

So, there might be a third time in another past experience.

As for rationale and how all this fits in for 'good', I don't know - maybe think Kobayashi Maru.  Spock's impossible choice and solution to an impossible game that was set by Evil Beings.

The cock crows to signify the rising of the Sun (symbolically - they actually crow all day, one reason we don't have roosters!).  Our story here suggests a Sun/Son will rise at some future point.  My guess is that Peter, if he is here now, will have already gone through whatever those 3 ordeals were (meaning I don't anticipate a 3rd yet to occur, if this story even is remotely accurate - that is in the past), and will likely have his own ascension as part of this, maybe with Gim Goru and/ or in his own separate way.

Who knows.  I may end up scrapping this whole storyline since I don't even know if this works out or not, but just writing it here to see how and where it goes.  I think it can make sense, though I am not 100% convinced.  Also, if this storyline holds, I don't think Captain Moroni is necessarily viable anymore.  You could still have Pharazon-Boromir-Alma-Marsh, perhaps.   I mean, I guess you could swap out Alma for Moroni - one of them has to go, at least, and who knows, maybe that whole chain doesn't work.  I had originally had Boromir as Captain Moroni due to some of the similarities and desires of Boromir, but I am not sure that story really goes anywhere anymore.   That was also intended to be redemptive in nature, but this other one definitely has a larger arc that isn't just about personal redemption and could be hiding a bigger story.

Anyway, a few things to keep picking at a bit in order to see whether this Pharazon-Peter connection has legs or not.