The Gim G's Part 1: Peter as Ingwe the Tribal Chief, High King of the Elves

Roman Reigns, who I assume has represented Peter in the current WWE storyline, calls himself the Tribal Chief.  We are going to keep going down this route of pulling little gems out of WWE to illuminate some things.  Why not.  Leo, at least, seemed on board with this path yesterday, so lets see what thoughts are left to squeeze out of this thing.

In writing about Roman yesterday, I made the comment that this title as Tribal Chief might be an important clue.  I wrote that not really having any idea yet as to where that would ultimately go.  In the period since, I have landed on something I think not only works for Peter, but also helps solve an almost 5 year old riddle with respect to the first 'word' I ever received - the word that kicked off this entire weird journey for me.  So, speaking personally, some of the thoughts over the past day or so have been very meaningful for me (even if I can't for sure say they are accurate or true).

As a preview to that, what I think and will ultimately attempt to show, is that with Faramir-Eonwe and Peter-Marsh we are dealing with two Beings who also can go by the names or titles of Gim Guru and Gim Githil.  These names are coming out of nowhere in this blog, I know, but Gim Guru has been around with me for a long time (5 years - the very first word).  Gim Githil just recently popped in the last couple days in the context of thinking about Peter, so that is a new one for me.

I think it all works, though, and we can think about them as the GimG's or Gim G's.  For this post, let's focus on just one Gim G:  Peter, and go through how we get from him to the name Gim Githil.

Gim Githil is actually an old "Gnomish" name or form for the better known name Ingwe.  The story of the Elves, as many of you might know, begins under the 'moonlight' or stars at Cuivienen.  Cuivienen means "Water of Awakening", and it is here that the Elves 'woke up'.  There was no 'sun' yet - the sun would be viewed by Elves as a sign of the coming or birth of Men, and this is one reason that the Moon was actually valued or viewed as higher than the Sun by the Elves.  They preferred it.  This will be relevant in just a bit related to Ingwe's name.

Anyway, when they woke up, they were in 3 primary groupings, with the entire body of Elves numbering 144.  These 3 initial groupings would become the basis for the future tribes or distinctions among the Eldar.  The first group would come to be known as the Vanyar, the second as the Noldor, and the third as the Teleri.

Ingwe, the Being we are concerned with in this post, was in that first group - the Vanyar.  When the Valar offered to lead the Elves to Aman, it was Ingwe, along with Finwe (of the Noldor), and Thingol (of the Teleri, also called Elu, but who we have also tagged as Aragorn and John on this blog) who first went as Ambassadors to check out Aman, and then come back and convince the other Elves to come with them.  Of that group, roughly 2/3, or 96 (which by this time was likely a symbolic number as the group seems to have expanded to more than 144 Elves with children, families, etc.) decided to make the journey.

Finwe and Thingol have obviously come up on this blog before, but not Ingwe - until today.  It is in Peter that I think we find an additional identity and role for this Being who has so far escaped my story here.  Similar to Thomas Marsh, he kind of comes out of left field unexpectedly, but when you look more into him, you realize that not having him in the picture is a huge miss.

The name Ingwe gives us our first clue and tie back to Roman Reigns and the WWE, strangely.  It is translated simply as "Chief".  The three groups of the Elves at that time were known as 'tribes'.  For example, here is the first part of the explanation regarding Ingwe's name on Eldamo:  

Lord of the first tribe of the Elves and the high king of Elvenkind.  His name is ancient and its original meaning is unclear, but it is sometimes translated as “Chief”, and is interpreted as a combination of the root √ING “first, foremost” and the suffix -wë common in ancient names 

So, here we have the Chief of the first tribe of Elves, the Vanyar.  A Tribal Chief.   And not only of his tribe, but he is recognized as the high king of the united body of Elves.  In other words, if you are one of the Eldar, no matter what tribe you are from, Ingwe is a high king to you.

This fact - this position that Ingwe held (and still holds, I think) - also then helps make sense of the role Peter, Alma the Elder, Thomas Marsh, etc. were given.

As I've explored in earlier posts, both the Catholics and Mormons view Peter as having received 'keys' regarding a church.  In Joseph Smith's writings and revelations, he referred to a "Church of the Firstborn".  In D&C 76 (which may actually have been a product of Sidney Rigdon), this church was a group of people who ultimately were the exalted ones - an assembly of righteous and just Beings who were of the "Celestial Kingdom".

Elves, in Tolkien's writings, were also called the Firstborn, and specifically the Vanyar, for whom Ingwe was the chief, were known as the 'first'.

What I am trying to say is that Peter received keys and authority over something he had already possessed anciently.  He was the 'high king' over the assembly (church) of the Firstborn from the very beginning.

This also helps explain why Alma (the elder) was given the power of judgement over the 'church' - God gave him the literal ability and power to welcome or reject anyone into that church - if one refused to repent, that person's name could be blotted out of that church or assembly by Alma.  If Alma was Ingwe, the explanation for why God gave him such power is relatively easy to explain:  it had likely already been his.

In fact, in the beginning, Ingwe had used this power, along with Finwe and Elu-Thingol, in their invitation to come back to Aman.  2/3 accepted the invitation and their names were found among the Firstborn there in Heaven.  Another 1/3 did not accept that invitation, their names were blotted out or forgotten, and collectively they even had a name change and became known as the Avari (the Refusers).  This time of the Great Journey is also when the collective new names of Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri were given to those who did make the journey.

Going back to WWE, interestingly Roman Reigns is also called the Head of the Table.  At least, that is what the video I watched showed on the big screen during his entrance (again, I know next to nothing of these characters, so I am just going by symbols and what I see and hear).  

"Table" is a fascinating word that can mean all sorts of things.  One of those meanings is a tablet for writing, which is one of its source words, according to Etymonline.  

It can also mean a 'list', though, in a column format, for example.  So, if you work with spreadsheets, you are probably already familiar with this view.  As part of this, according to Etymonline, the verb to 'table' means this:

enter (someone's name) into a list," thus, "appoint to a duty;"

So we have this concept of names and lists, and who gets appointed to what.  Sounds pretty much like Alma's role as leader of his church, and quite frankly the role that is classically attributed to Peter in terms of who who might enter the Pearly Gates of Heaven (and, in Mormon terms, join with the Church of the Firstborn in the Celestial Kingdom).

Thus, Head of the Table, can mean "Chief or Ruler of the List" (you can look up "head" yourself if you want, but pretty self-explanatory).  This might also help explain how Thomas Marsh, for example, received and kept his role as the "doorman" - he owns the list of names of who is and is not part of the church, and thus who walks through that door, maybe.  It may also be why he specifically mentioned the role of 'deacon' he would like to retain for himself as well in his remarks in Utah.  Deacon means "servant of the church", or literally just "servant".   You know, something like "But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant". 

It also can simply mean listed first among that Church - at the head, or top, of the list.  "Ing" means "first, foremost" or "top, highest".  Just like "head".  I am speculating, obviously, and seeing what sticks as we explore this, but for now this all seems to work somewhat.

The important thing, though, is that having Peter, Alma, and Marsh be the same Being as Ingwe sure helps clarify, in my mind at least, why he was given certain blessings, responsibilities, tasks, etc.  It is because they were already naturally his to begin with.

One other thing on this:  Obviously in using WWE and the grandiose personalities on that program, or in comparing to other types of "Chiefs" or worldly Kings, we run the risk of getting the wrong impression of just who Ingwe-Peter was and is.  I see the patterns and symbols in some of these things, but I don't believe the characters themselves are good indications of who we would expect to find were we to meat the real deals.  In other words, I don't think Roman Reign personifies Peter.  Probably the opposite, actually, in many respects.

For a better take on who Ingwe-Peter might be, go read the account of Alma in Mosiah.  The people who he led out desired him to be their King, and he refused, citing the wicked Noah-Brigham as an example of exactly why this was not a good idea.  Rather, he agreed to serve them as a high priest.  Later, when faced with what was going on in the church, he tried to give the judgement to someone else, inquiring as to whether Mosiah might want to step in and do this.  Mosiah refused and rightly gave it back to Alma.  But this bothered Alma.  Mormon says of it "he feared that he should do wrong in the sight of God.".  So Alma prayed about it, pouring out 'his whole soul to God."  It was then God himself who told Alma that it was OK, this was the right course - he was to be a judge of these people (because God knew who Alma was), and that Alma would do just fine in the task.

Anyway, I just wanted to make that clear.  When I say that the 'character' represents Peter, I am looking at names, symbols, storylines, etc., and not at the grandiose, superstar personalities, which are obviously there for entertainment purposes and to sell tickets and get viewership.  Having said that, for some reason I also just find it really, really funny to talk about these WWE characters in this way and to use them in pushing my own story forward.  It's fun, and having a bit of fun I think is supposed to be part of the deal.

OK, so let's see how all of that sits for a bit.

I want to close on the name though.  How do we get from Ingwe to Gim Githil?   This is kind of important, because I am going to use this name (as I alluded to earlier in the post) to tie Peter and Faramir together.  In other words, their very names, I think, become pretty complimentary in thinking of them as the Gim G's, and it just seems like another supporting point in the hypothesis that it is these two Beings that will be working together in some capacity.  I have interpreted Sun and Moon as the interaction between Faramir and Eowyn and the Anor and Ithil Stones, but based on the names Gim Githil and Gim Guru, I have reason to now believe this might also refer to Peter and Faramir, and in some instances was meant to more directly refer to just them, perhaps.

We are going to be reverse engineering here to get back to Gim Githil, since that was the earliest stage or example of this name.

Ingwe's full name is actually Isil Inwe.  In this form, the 'g' has been dropped in Ingwe.  Inwe still means the same thing, though, so we have "Chief or Ruler".  Isil is the addition.  Isil means Moon, and it is another form of Ithil, which is familiar to us on this blog since we have covered the Ithil Stone a few times.

Thus, the full name of Ingwe/ Inwe in this sense is "The Moon Chief", or I will simplify as "The Moon King".  Again, this is likely the highest title or honor an Elda can have, given that the Eldar hold the Moon even higher than the Sun in their esteem.

From Isil Inwe, which is the Quenyan form, we move back to Inwithiel, which is an earlier Gnomish form.  In that name, you can see the Quenyan elements:  Inwi (Inwe) and Ithiel (Ithil or Isil).  So, we are just dealing with different forms or dialects of the same name, and thus the same meaning.  He is still the Moon King.

"Gnomish" appears to have a feature where G's have been added to words.  Or in other words, there are many examples of names and words that first appear in Tolkien's lexicon as originally starting with "G" in an earlier language, to then dropping the G later but retaining the rest of the root or core of the word.  Ingwe's name is no different.

Thus, the earlier Gnomish form of this name is Gim Githil, or Gim Githiel.  You can see how you get there from Inwithiel, likely.  Inwi shortens and transitions to Im, and the G is added.  Gim.  Ithiel adds the G, and in its simplest form becomes Githil. 

And that is how we trace the name back to Gim Githil from Ingwe.   Pretty cool, huh?

The meaning remains the same - in my book, at least.  If you look up "Gim" you will actually not get a translation for that word in that form on Eldamo.  This is actually what threw me off for 5 years (literally from July 2019 until last night) with Gim Guru.  There are other similar words (Gima, Gimi), but no Gim, other than what you find in this name.  Same thing for Githil - no specific translation for just that form.

But, if we assume (and I think it is a good assumption) that the two elements of the name remained the same as it transitioned from Gnomish to Quenyan, then as we've shown in our reverse path from Ingwe or Isil Ingwe to Gim Githil, I think it is fairly reasonable to state that Gim means "Ruler or Chief" and Githil still means "Moon".

This use of Gim as a Ruler or Chief will then lead help us understand Gim Guru, the second Gim G, who I now take to be Ingwe-Peter's partner Eonwe-Faramir and which I will cover in Part 2 when I have a chance.

UPDATE (right after posting):

When I went to close out YouTube, there was a thumbnail for a Rock-Roman Reigns match vs. Rhodes-Rollins match.  Apparently, these four characters did in fact have a scuffle on Raw this past Monday despite the Rock saying they wouldn't fight.  Something must have happened, and they all ended up in the ring together.  Anyway, I was surprised to see they actually ended up wrestling.

It looks like The Rock ended up on the receiving end of both Rhodes and Rollins beating him up, but then Roman comes back in the picture, saves him, and then they start the beat down.

They proceed to whip these two with the belt that The Rock is wearing.   Man, I know you can fake a lot of things, but I think those whippings were pretty legitimate.  That must have really hurt.